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I am planning a home-brew mother board/carrier board with drivers and connectors specific to my application.Can some please confirm that the IAC motor driver (UDN2916L) is mounted on the MS3 board?I can see a 24 pin device and 2 large surface mount resistors (Rsense?) mounted between the 40P DIP pins. All MS3 documentation refers to logic only signals but I conclude that these are just for the MS3X connections.I have no previous experience with MS and have never seen one. The documentation for MS2 refers to IAC connections to pins on the MS2 module, there must be a motor driver on that module.Thanks in advance.Terry Helpful MS/Extra'er Posts: 46 Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:00 am. Jsmcortina wrote:Yes.Both the MS2 and MS3 have a stepper driver chip on the daughtercard. There are then wires running across the mainboard to the socket.
No stepper control chips feature on the mainboard.HOWEVER.I will need to confirm 100%, but I do not believe the hardware license with the MS3 allows it to be used on anything other than a genuine Bowling and Grippo mainboard.JamesThanks for the fast response James.I am not trying to go against the grain. I just wanted to use Ampseal connectors to my box.Let me know on the hardware license, I can wire it differently if required.Terry Helpful MS/Extra'er Posts: 46 Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:00 am. Not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.I haven't actually seen a HARDWARE license for the MS3. There is a SOFTWARE license that I read as saying the software can only be used on a B&G MS3 daughtercard; no mention is made of the mainboard.Not looking to cause trouble, but if James is correct that his statement IS the official line, then this needs to be tightened up significantly to prevent copycats from having a field day.If there is a distinct hardware license that I (a non-MS3-possessing type) haven't seen, I'll sit down and shut up. Dontz125 wrote:Not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.I haven't actually seen a HARDWARE license for the MS3.
There is a SOFTWARE license that I read as saying the software can only be used on a B&G MS3 daughtercard; no mention is made of the mainboard.Not looking to cause trouble, but if James is correct that his statement IS the official line, then this needs to be tightened up significantly to prevent copycats from having a field day.If there is a distinct hardware license that I (a non-MS3-possessing type) haven't seen, I'll sit down and shut up.Using a MS3 daughter card and MS firmware is the intent, I wouldn't go against that. The DIYPNP units use a different main-board. Possibly they are licensed to do that. For reliability, a complete main-board specific to ones application is the way to go.We'll have to get an official ruling on this one. Helpful MS/Extra'er Posts: 46 Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:00 am. UnaClocker wrote:Actually, the DIYPNP's don't use a different mainboard.
The mainboard on those units is the modular version of the Microsquirt.I'm going to disagree with you. Unless I'm right out to lunch, the DIYPNP uses the Microsquirt Module as the PROCESSOR, but uses a custom-to-DIY mainboard.The MS copyright is found here -. My read on this is basically 'If you want to copy a couple for yourself, ask nicely and we'll probably say yes. If you want to sell it, we need to talk, and you'll owe us 4% of your resale (not sure if that's net, gross, or what, but it's FREAKIN' low!)'Where my certainty lapses is how closely 'copying the board' can be judged. Certainly, Mini-MS and the German clone don't look much like the V2.2 or 3.0, respectively, but they are clearly clones and the source of a certain degree of bad blood. What Terry is discussing (and I am considering myself) is a custom board BASED on the 3.0 for personal use.
Simple courtesy would have us sending the schematic to B&G, but is it a legal requirement? The MicroSquirt module is far more than just a CPU. The MS2 module is pretty much just a CPU. The MicroSquirt module can run an engine in and of itself, you could run wires from all the sensors/injectors/coils straight to that module, and it will work. This it is a self contained full MS unit, the DIY board is simply an add-on board to it. It's a Micro version of everything the MS2 on a V3 board is (and then some, since it has dual coil outputs and dual VR inputs). As such, when the MicroSquirt module is purchased, you've paid for everything B&G require you to have bought to run your engine.
It'd be no different than taking a V3 board and stuffing it inside a case with all of the gadgets JBPerf sells. You bought the primary system, you can add on to it all you want.
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